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INTERROGATORY 46

BELIEVEST THOU NOT

THAT I AM IN THE FATHER,

AND THE FATHER IN ME?

 

No, this is not teaching that the Father and the Son are the same Person, but it is teaching that The Father God indwelt the Son, the same way that The Son, i.e. Jesus, wants to INDWELL us. The Bible is clear.

UNDERSTANDING THE ‘INDWELLING’ IS VITAL.

 

John 14:

7 If ye had known Me, ye should have known My Father also: and from henceforth ye know Him, and have seen Him.

8 Philip saith unto Him, Lord, shew us the Father, and it sufficeth us.

9 Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known Me, Philip? he that hath seen Me hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou then, Shew us the Father?

10 Believest thou not that I am in the Father, and the Father in Me? the words that I speak unto you I speak not of Myself: but the Father that dwelleth in Me, He doeth the works.

11 Believe Me that I am in the Father, and the Father in Me: or else believe Me for the very works' sake.

12 Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on Me, the works that I do shall he do also; and greater works than these shall he do; because I go unto My Father.

13 And whatsoever ye shall ask in My name, that will I do, that the Father may be glorified in the Son.

14 If ye shall ask any thing in My name, I will do it.

 

This passage contains a truth that Jesus has been trying to teach in a number of sermons listed by John. John seems to have gotten this truth, and is making sure in His gospel to show that Jesus preached this often, and fully expects us to know it.

The truth is shown also in the Old Testament; in Isaiah, there is a great prophecy that we have seldom truly considered, and usually only notice at all around Christmas time.

Isaiah 7:14

"Behold, a virgin shall conceive, and bear a Son, and shall call His name, Immanuel."

This event of the incarnation of deity becoming human flesh is a foundation truth of the gospel. Jesus came as One equal to the Father, eternal, omnipresent, omnipotent, omniscient, and became a man, born of the Spirit into a virgin named Mary. He began to reveal Himself, and the message of the Father to us. When He returned to heaven, He sent the Holy Spirit back to be another Comforter for us.

However, look closely at the name "Emmanuel" (Immanuel in the Old Testament, and Emmanuel in the New Testament). It means, as we have been told often, "GOD WITH US". Yet, the word for "with" is not the usual word for "with."Usually, in the Bible, the word "with" is the Greek word "para" meaning "among", or "suun" meaning "along with" or "near", but the word used here is one that is seldom used, and it means "in new association," "in union," "as a joint worker," "a partner with".

The Lord wants to come unto us as "Emmanuel", and be with us in a special way. Just as Jesus told His disciples about the Spirit Who would come.

John 14:17

"...He dwelleth with you, and shall be in you..."

In the same way we have had the Lord dwelling with (near us) for He told us that He would never leave nor forsake us (Matthew 28:20).

The "mark" of the first Passover was the blood of the lamb that was slain, symbolic of Jesus Who would someday come as the ultimate Lamb of God. They ate the lamb and put its blood on the doorpost.

In these New Testament days, we arel again to be marked and partake of the Lamb. He will become a part of us, as the Passover lamb became assimilated into the beings of those of that day. They made the journey the next day in the strength of the lamb that they had eaten. As the lamb of the first Passover became united with them, when they ate it, so Christ will become Emmanuel - God in union with us - for the night of judgment and deliverance.

Christ, before this event, was "with" (para, and suun) us, but now we can have Him "with" (hama) us in a greater way than before.

At the incarnation, Jesus came to be with us... He came into the world, step one!

At the crucifixion, a new way of being with us was provided, and He became our Savior, step two.

At His ascension, He promised to be "with" us in another way (Matthew 28:20), step three.

At this setting of the "mark", we will now experience another way in which He will be with us.

And finally, very soon, we will have the ultimate "with" us, at the rapture of the church, and He will be eternally, physically with us.

Just before the return of the Lord at the rapture, the Lord will return to His church in a special way to aid and comfort us in these last days. He will come as Emmanuel, and will be upon us, within us, in union with our ministries, and united to us.

The Holy Spirit came on the day of Pentecost to be our Teacher, Empowerer, Advocate. Jesus called Him "ANOTHER Comforter. For Jesus is also our Comforter. Jesus is preparing to return literally, physically, just as He left this earth, but this last day revival period is to be marked by a special union of the Lord with the ones spared the great purging called the harvest of tares.

At the first Passover, many likely said, "But I have served the Lord, why do I need to worry about putting blood on the doorpost, and why must I eat this lamb? Where did Moses come up with this heresy?" This truth for today is just a prophetic fulfillment of what the Passover eating of the lamb, and the putting of its blood upon the doorposts represented.

Remember, Jesus also preached this same teaching in the sermon of the BREAD OF LIFE.

This is one of the best of the sermons of Jesus, and yet many have studied it very little. It was a sermon that caused the following of Jesus to shrink considerably. Thousands were following Him before the sermon, and at its end only 12, and one of them was planning a betrayal. This sermon must have been powerful, dynamic, and controversial. Why have we not studied it more in Christianity??? The answer is that the truths taught are still as controversial, and many a pastor fears the loss of his crowd if he taught this sermon as Jesus did.

Note the description of the listeners of this sermon of the bread of life. They followed Jesus for the wrong reasons. They thought Jesus would be a great "meal ticket," and they would simply have to follow Him and have all they could eat.

John 6:26

"Ye seek Me, not because ye saw the miracles, but because ye did eat of the loaves, and were filled."

They were prosperity minded, and not seeking the Lord's teaching as much as they were the Lord's material blessings.

John 6:27

"Labor not for the meat which perisheth, but for the meat which endureth unto everlasting life, which the Son of Man shall give unto you."

 They wanted to be spectators of signs and wonders.

 John 6:30

"...What sign shewest Thou then, that we may see."

 They lacked true faith.

John 6:36

"But I have said unto you, That ye also have seen Me, and believe not."

They murmured at the hearing of the truth taught herein by Jesus.

 John 6:41

"The Jews then murmured at Him, because He said, I am the bread which came down from heaven."

They found the truth too hard to understand.

 John 6:60

"...when they had heard this, said This is an hard saying, who can hear it?"

 They were offended by the sermon and its truths.

John 6:61

"When Jesus knew in Himself that His disciples murmured at it, He said unto them, Doth this offend you?"

 Many departed and followed Jesus no more following this sermon.

John 6:66

"From that time many of His disciples went back, and walked no more with Him."

The teaching of this sermon must have been very important for Jesus to teach it knowing it would cause most to turn away from Him. Perhaps we had better find out what it was that He taught. The time of this sermon was shortly before the Feast of the Tabernacles (John 7:2), roughly six months before the time Jesus would be crucified. He teaches a lesson that the disciples would need to remember when they would soon sit with Jesus at the last supper, and be given the bread and the wine in the first communion service.

Jesus teaches in this sermon that God in the days of Moses provided them bread from heaven to eat, to sustain themselves in the days that they were to be traveling to the Promised land. Yet, Jesus says that He was the "true and living manna" that the first manna represented. He must be partaken of and assimilated or there would be no life.

John 6:47-51

"Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on Me hath everlasting life. I am that bread of life. Your fathers did eat manna in the wilderness and are dead. This is the bread that cometh down from heaven, that a man may eat thereof and not die. I am the living bread which came down from heaven; if any man eat of this bread, he shall live forever; and the bread that I will give is My flesh, which I will give for the life of the world."

The world could not understand this teaching, and the disciples even were troubled by it. This coming into union with us is the event of the Emmanuel coming to us.

We need an Emmanuel experience, for we are traveling a road similar to the road traveled by the disciples of that day. We are headed to the time when Jesus will purify the House of God, and the time when persecution will reach its peak. The resurrection time lay ahead also, but there were some trying events in the middle. They could only make it if they were following Jesus for the right reasons, and if they came into a union with Him that meant to partake of Him in a special way. Already, many in Judah were seeking to kill Jesus. The time of persecution had already begun, and the Lord knew the disciples needed a closer union with Him for them to make it through. As we know, they failed to fully comprehend this teaching, for they did not do well in the days of betrayal and crucifixion.

Jesus will be our Protector, our other "Comforter" Who will be with us, as the Passover lamb was with the Israelites on that first Passover. The lamb of that day provided protection, blessing, and sustenance for the trials soon to come. We need the Lord in a special way; now, we need His protection, fellowship, sustenance, and blessing. The Lord is coming to the true church, to the saints that are to be marked with the "tau", and giving them a special impartation of Himself. We can partake of Him, as we would eat bread getting ready for a journey. We can appropriate Him, and assimilate Him into our beings, and then walk in fresh fellowship with Him. Many of that day could not, or would not. We now know that for them to partake of Jesus and to stay in close fellowship with Him would have meant to partake of His sufferings, His unpopularity, and possibly suffer His death with Him. The Lord has told us to "Take up your cross and follow Me." (Matthew 16:24). We may take this mark, partake of the Lord as our Bread of Life, or we may, as many did there, forsake His great offer!

In II Corinthians, the Spirit of Truth, desires to remove the vail's of blindness from men's minds, and the Spirit of Truth can bring liberty, freedom from veils... Then in II Corinthians 3:18, the Spirit teaches us:

"But we all, with open face (unveiled from blindness of veils), beholding as in a glass the glory of the Lord, are changed (Greek = metamorphoo = transfigured, as used of the Lord in Matthew 17:2) into the same image (Greek = eikon = copy, representation, resemblance) from glory to glory, even by the Spirit of the Lord."

The Spirit of Truth has a main job to do in each of us through which He works, to change us into the image of Christ. Just as Christ told the listeners in the sermon of the ABIDING IN CHRIST in John 14:9, that to see Him was to see the Father.

John 14:9

"he that hath seen Me, hath seen the Father..."

In the same way, the Lord wants to come to us, and allow the Spirit of Truth change us into the same image as Christ, and to see us, know us, deal with us, etc. would be the same as to see, know, deal with Christ Himself. When the Lord told us to ABIDE IN HIM, He added.

John 15:4

"Abide in Me, and I IN YOU..."

The final part of our abiding, and bearing the suffering that Christ endured, and doing the ministry to a rebellious world that Christ did, is the part of Jesus abiding in, changing our image to His, going from "glory to glory" and finding a glorious presence of Christ with each step upward toward being like our precious Lord.

To see Jesus, was to see God. God abode within Jesus, and upon Jesus so much. God anointed the ministry of Jesus so much, and to hear Jesus speak, or to see Him minister was like watching the Father Himself speak and minister. The Lord wants us to accept the ministry of the Spirit of Truth, allow Him to work, and then to abide in Christ, and allow Him to make us a blessing to the world. HE WILL THEN MAKE US TO BE THE VERY IMAGE OF HIM. HE WILL BECOME EMMANUEL, GOD WITH US, SO MUCH, THAT TO SEE, LISTEN TO, OR DEAL WITH US, WILL BE LIKE DEALING WITH CHRIST JESUS HIMSELF.

What a blessed relationship to have with Jesus, and what a blessed relationship for the world to see in us. Jesus had that kind of relationship with God, and He offered that kind of relationship with Him. The SPIRIT OF TRUTH must begin working in us. We must begin ABIDING in the Lord, and then be the BLESSING TO OTHERS that the Lord wants us to be,. and the end result will be. WE WILL TRULY HAVE EMMANUEL WITH US! Jesus is wanting to come in a special way in these last days!

When we come to this truth, of the Lord, the Spirit, and God the Father coming into union with us, being available for their working through us, we will see that we have: works. This is the Greek word : ergon (G2041), works, deeds, acts. Translated works 152 Times and deeds 22.

It is clear that He refers to miracles, healings, signs, wonders, and mighty acts of power. Jesus works’ consisted of healing sickness and disease, casting out devils, raising the dead, cleansing lepers, and deliver from the works of Satan.

With Jesus dwelling in us we have the promise shall he do also. The promise is that we can be endowed with power to do works like Jesus did, and even greater works than He did.

Greater works because I go unto my Father

 The reasons we will do greater works, is that now Satan is defeated by the cross. We also can have the Spirit’s baptism. Also, Christ is interceding for believers. All authority given to Christ has been given to believers. All the gifts and fruit of the Spirit, once given in measure, are completely available for us.


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